DOMINIC SCOTT PLATO MENO PDF

Virtue, Practice, and Perplexity in Plato’s m Wians – – Plato: The Internet Journal of the International Plato Society (Plato 12 ()). Dominic Scott has produced a monograph on the Meno that in its fluency and succinctness does justice to its subject and, like its subject. Buy [(Plato’s Meno)] [Author: Dominic Scott] published on (March, ) by Dominic Scott (ISBN:) from Amazon’s Book Store. Everyday low prices and free.

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Scott finds some fault, however, in stating that the speech displays “resentment”, on the basis of its warning to Socrates not to travel abroad Heffer, Originally Macmillan, Most notably, he dares to specify the views of the historical Socrates and vigorously defends the contention that the Meno predates the Gorgias. What Socrates does in that passage quoted by Scott on p. dominlc

Its treatment of these, though profound, is tantalisingly short, leaving the reader with many Scott thinks Meno reverses course in part in reaction to the example of Anytus. Meno remains the same bully now as before, and Socrates in effect warns us not to be taken in by his current turn to politeness and collegiality. Here, too, Scott is aware of the problem but simply asserts that we should not expect them to be the same [].

What evidence does Scott provide to support his contention that the historical Socrates espoused such positions? That aside, why is plao a fault that Meno does not issue his challenge in stronger terms? Meno’s tentativeness suggests — accurately, I daresay — that the unitarian assumption is no easy thing to evaluate.

Dominic Scott: Plato’s Meno. – Free Online Library

His assumption may be plausible; but it is startling nonetheless that Scott offers, as far I can see, no grounds for it. The Meno of Plato R. Sccott being so, can we be certain that Socrates’ criticism of Meno is straightforwardly endorsed by Plato? Does not Meno declare that defining virtue is “easy,” thus making his definitions of it fair game for Socrates?

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Indeed one wonders why Meno would ask the question in the first place in his “peremptory” plsto if not because he regards it as of pressing practical importance. Dominic Scott has produced a monograph on the Meno that in its fluency and succinctness does justice to its subject and, like its subject, makes for a reading experience that is both pleasurable and challenging. By “Socratic” here Scott is clear that he means what pertains to that elusive figure, the historical Socrates.

Does the demonstration not in fact suggest that, in the absence of a teacher who knows, recollection is insufficient to yield knowledge, yet that recollection is hardly needed at all if such a teacher scitt present? The assumption that we should determine what virtue is before asking whether it is teachable is not made the subject of a serious philosophical challenge either. Meno in Ancient Greek and Roman Philosophy categorize this paper.

The scotr value of Scott’s book lies in the stimulating questions it raises and in the often novel and always carefully supported ideas it advances. Irony and Insight in Plato’s Meno. Dancy – – Philosophy in Review 27 4: Scott has domiinc very much in this spirit, and I would like to focus here on two related aspects of the way he sees continuity within the dialogue.

We require a Meno with enough about him to suggest material that sophisticates doimnic engage with, but not enough to suggest that he belongs with them. They are not, however, instrumental.

But even if Meno’s moral character remains unchanged, has he not perhaps become a better pupil? These scoyt have been mostly critical. Meno in Ancient Greek and Roman Philosophy. The following are some questions that would need to be answered before we could quite so sanguinely take at face value Socrates’ recollection theory and its implicit “foreknowledge” assumption.

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The Meno then turns out to be yet another instance in which we are shown that Socrates, no matter how hard he tries to improve his interlocutor, fails time and again. In the case of elenchus scktt beneficial procedure, it is likewise a stretch to classify Meno’s stingray speech as a serious philosophical challenge, wonderfully vivid though it is in pronouncing that the effects of elenchus can feel far from positive.

If, however, the determination of what is philosophical begins with Socrates, with the life of inquiry and examination that he led, a life animated by questions and conducted through dialogue, can we be sure that philosophy excludes the employment of intentionally flawed arguments?

Edited with Introduction and Commentary. Dancy Florida State University.

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Whereas Scott suggests that all Socrates is less than confident about is that he has provided sufficient support for recollection [], it is surely surprising that, in the final analysis, Socrates affirms the moral value of inquiry as the only thing that has been established and that he would fight for in both word and deed [86b7-c3]. Scott contends that once Socrates takes up the question of virtue’s teachability, Meno shows signs of having improved: So let us look more closely at this aspect of his interpretation.

For the most part, therefore, Scott tacitly relies on the assumption that if the character Socrates expresses a view in certain favored Platonic dialogues, that is sufficient evidence for attributing said view to the historical figure. True, Socrates describes Meno as undisciplined in the speech that leads into his introduction of the method of hypothesis 86d3-e4, quoted by Scott on pp.

DOMINIC SCOTT PLATO MENO PDF

Virtue, Practice, and Perplexity in Plato’s m Wians – – Plato: The Internet Journal of the International Plato Society (Plato 12 ()). Dominic Scott has produced a monograph on the Meno that in its fluency and succinctness does justice to its subject and, like its subject. Buy [(Plato’s Meno)] [Author: Dominic Scott] published on (March, ) by Dominic Scott (ISBN:) from Amazon’s Book Store. Everyday low prices and free.

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Most notably, he dares to specify the views of the historical Socrates and vigorously defends the contention that the Meno predates the Gorgias. Plato’s Meno Dominic Scott No preview available – Does the demonstration not in fact suggest that, in the absence of a teacher who knows, recollection is insufficient to yield knowledge, yet that recollection is hardly needed at all if such a teacher is present?

If, however, as Socrates says, Meno has not changed, if, indeed, he squandered the opportunity for moral improvement provided by the model of the slave, might it not be the case that both in bringing Anytus into the dialogue and in reintroducing him domminic the dialogue’s close Plato is showing the reader where Meno is headed?

Nevertheless he pretends, even csott he proceeds without a definition in hand, that this is something that cannot be done.

Dominic Scott: Plato’s Meno.

Plsto, indeed, this is something we should expect since Socrates says at 98a5: Scott so inflates what is involved in “following a proof” that it becomes comparable for him to how people discover “new geometrical proofs that no one had ever taught them” It seems mere prejudice to deem Meno incapable of having a serious and sincere concern in raising and then not retreating from the issue. They are not, however, instrumental.

Is this mere coincidence? Perhaps the reason he mmeno this further application is that the only thing he regards as genuine virtue is ruling others and having power and money, and not whatever it is that sominic, old men, children, and slaves might have that goes by that name. But even if this critique is apt, it is hard to see what alternatives to elenchus Socrates has–if indeed he is as lacking in wisdom as he claims to be.

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Scott is surely incorrect to understand “would be able to do the same” as “would be able to become as expert as anyone” []. Setup an account with your affiliations in order to access resources via your University’s proxy server Configure custom proxy use this if your affiliation does not provide a proxy.

The absence of explicit methodological justification mrno treating some, but only some, of Plato’s dialogues as reliable sources for the views of the historical Socrates makes it hard to place much credence on the contention that the historical figure is a specific target of examination in the Meno. These remarks dominif been mostly critical.

In the four cases of Socrates on trial that Scott deals with, the assumptions attributed to the historical Socrates are, respectively, the unitarian assumption, the notion that the elenchus is beneficial, our duty to inquire, and the thesis that we should discover what virtue is before we examine whether it is teachable.

Scott says very little about what he thinks Plato would have taken the dialogue’s readership to be. Landry – – Philosophia Mathematica 20 2: With the exception of the paradox, Meno is not in the business of issuing serious philosophical challenges, though he would need to be for the nicely dramatic idea that Socrates is standing trial to carry real weight.

Dominic Scott: Plato’s Meno. – Free Online Library

Meno’s continued inclination to investigate the question of how virtue is acquired without first having discovered what it is motivates the introduction of the method. Perhaps it is only someone with Socrates’ one-track mind who would regard Meno’s desire to continue addressing the practical question as a sign xcott ill discipline.

Meno remains the same bully now as before, and Socrates in effect warns us not to be taken in by his current turn to politeness and collegiality. Bryn Mawr Classical Review Meno’s tentativeness suggests — accurately, I daresay mneo that the unitarian assumption is no easy thing to evaluate. Second, Socrates in the Meno seeks no more than the virtue common to all human beings–he surely would not hold that the virtue of, say, a knife, involves justice and temperance.

Socrates is portrayed as making a concession to Meno that he would domniic not make.

Sign in to use this feature. This entry has no external links. Dancy – – Philosophy in Review 27 4: Indeed, it is just before the alleged change in Meno that Socrates is at pains to emphasize that Meno has not changed, that, on the contrary, wishing to hold onto his freedom meon.

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Its treatment of these, though profound, is tantalisingly short, leaving the reader with many unresolved questions. Dominic Scott – unknown. Scott finds some fault, however, in stating that the speech displays “resentment”, on the basis of its warning to Socrates not to travel abroad Abandon it and we are free to observe Meno, without strain, as an imperfect but relatively decent interlocutor capable of reacting in a pllato of different ways to various aspects of his encounter with Socrates.

Meno in Ancient Greek and Roman Philosophy categorize this paper. Only in the case of the paradox of inquiry do we have a challenge of philosophical substance, even if as Scott contends not in every respect. Scott contends that once Socrates takes up plaato question of virtue’s teachability, Meno shows signs of having improved: It seems to me more natural to see this as a sign not of resentment on Meno’s part but a kind of amazed bewilderment that characterizes the stingray speech as a whole — this is surely the force of his prediction that Socrates might be arrested “as a wizard” 80b6 should he leave Athens.

One Virtue or Many? None of this is tantamount to denying that the dialogue places certain Socratic assumptions, including those that Scott highlights, under critical scrutiny.

Given its brevity, Plato’s Meno covers an astonishingly wide array of topics: Kerferd – – The Classical Review 13 What Socrates actually says is that the argument logos is eristic, not that Meno is: That he resists its application to the case of virtue must signal, then, something other than his rejection of it.

Meno in Ancient Greek and Roman Philosophy. True, Socrates describes Meno as undisciplined in the speech that leads into his introduction menp the method of hypothesis 86d3-e4, quoted by Scott on pp.